Swanson Top Gun has gone Xball!

[Icharus 461]

No kidding. The next OGD at Actions will be played Xball! and on SupAir!
:bow:Xball:bow:Xball:bow:

What does this mean for everyone?
The details remain the same.
Cost:
Amature: $120.00
Novice: $110.00
Rookie: $100.00
This is the cost per player and covers the cost of field fee, a case of paint (2000 rds) and initial air fills. Air will be provided in the form of Scuba tanks so expect 3,000psi fills for teams that get a fresh tank. I've added an Air Levi for teams that will be shooting and using more of the tanks. As for the rookies most of there guns are Co2 and so they can see Kyn about that.
I'd like to get the compressor down from Gav but I don't want to be stiffed with a large bill if teams bail. So in future and depending on turn out Teams will be paying the Air Levi up front a month early that money will go to Gav and then we can get the compressor.

But for now.
I will be getting a few more tanks from BOC to bring us up to 10 and loading up the teams dive ticket which will give us a fresh 10 after the lunch brake if we need it. Teams and players that have there own will need to bring them if they do I'll wave the levi for thoes teams.
Additional paint can be purchased at the venue.

Format:
Just thought I might add. And since Spike had a real good idea. Why don't I just rip off the PSP 2008 rules.

Division 1 XBall
Division 1 matches will consist of a race to 7 points run on a 15 minute clock. Teams will switch sides after every fourth game point scored.

This way we get everyone playing quick'ish and no one has to sit around for an age.

Should both teams end on a tie after regulation a sudden death point will be played. Now due to the field we have at Swanson we can manage 2 games at a time. After a point is scored the playing group retires to there pit to clean and pod up ready for the next point this break will not be shorter then 2 mins but it can be longer. While the first pair pits the second pair will play there point and so on. This alternates until we reach time or a team reaches 7. This way we get 4 teams playing at once.
In additon to this it looks like we are going to have a few teams of differing skill levels. I'm breaking it up into...
Amature (unlimited paint)
Novice (hopper +2)
and
Rookie (hopper +1)
This way people can get there legs with there new format and not just turn up and get blaseted! and it makes it a little cheaper on thoes just getting into it.
I'm also going to add a handicap for teams playing opposition in another grade.
If a team plays down a grade they play with that teams paint limit and the lower graded team recieves 2 points per grade.
Eg. Amature vs. Novice. Both teams play with 2 pods and the novice team will start with 2 points.
Eg. Amature vs. Rookie. Both teams play with 1 pod and the Rookie team will start with 4 points.

Swanson has been supplying reffs but any extra healp from teams that arrive early will be appreciated especially for score bench.

Team Size:
Teams are to be no smaller then 5 and no larger then 10. Teams can bring a long there own pit crew. If you are short on players or are a one man army, rock up and I'm sure we can find a team for you.

The Field:
Team Insane will be setting up the field from 8am and the fiirst game time is scheduled from 9.30am till 10.00am. This will give us time to clean the field down and for the new playing teams field walking time.
Field speed is 300fps and this is strictly enforced. There is nothing on the line here other then a fun day of ball and bragging rights. But I am making little red and yellow flags to give to Kyn lol. So be compedative and behave.

Registration:
No money down, just slap down your teams intrest below with team name, how many players you have, if you can ref or pit, what division you whish to be considered for and what region of godz own you are comming from. If I do get any travelling teams they will be given preference to the afternoon time slots as they have to travel. From this I can generate a schedule so you know when and who you will be playing. if needs be we might delay the start of the day to get everyon sorted out.

In the afternoon Kyn also has an even planned on the field as part of the OGD. So feel free to hang around. But this does mean be on time! if your late I will reschedule games on the fly.

Sorry for the spelling.
Jarrod

[Icharus 461]

Team: East Auckland Insane (See got the region in there too :D )
I've got 9-10 players but we could be splitting to form a rokkie team too.
Will be setting up and tearing down.
Will be playing Novice.

[Spike]

So what does extra paint cost?

Can you clarify how many air tanks there will be? is it worth looking at getting Gav to take the compressor?

[Icharus 461]

Extra paint was $80 a case.
We have 6 tanks.
As for the compressor I was going to ask but I'm a little firghtnened as to the cost of renting it. I'll ask but even then fills will probably be from the scuba in the pits. If we have a large amount of teams showing up I have contacted BOC so they are standing by if we need more.

[Vijil]

Sounds like a very interesting take on the xball idea. I immediately think that keeping time might be an issue, and 4 teams working through their games could take a very long time (30 mins if the games are fast but up to probably well over an hour otherwise), while other teams wait. A question is, does the clock for the next point start as soon as the previous game ends or will you wait til the new teams are ready to go?

I'm sure you've thought of all that already though, let us know how it goes!

[Big SY]

well Kyn has run this style of game a few times ..
Runnin time as you would a noraml xball game .. ie 2 min to get ya shit together
hehe
Dammit being on mothers day

[Spike]

Dammit being on mothers day

Oh True?

Tell your mum I said sorry

[Spike]

http://www.nxlpaintball.com/XBALL%20MANUAL%20(rev%208%20Tourney).pdf

Dude those rules are like 4 years old? can you confirm the rules a little more, perhaps use the 2008 PSP ones?



We have 6 tanks.


That will definitely not be enough for 30 odd players (educated hunch says we will have four teams for the first event).

Will talk to the team and see what we can come up with.

Cheers

[Icharus 461]

I talked to Gav today about the compressor and it will cost me $500.00. Thats a ton of cash for me to fork over on the off chance we get enough players to spread that out. If I do get enough registered intrest then I'll see about getting it down to the field. Bear in mind being Xball I'm not going to have people running off the field to fill and delaying game starts. If not I'll see about getting a few rentals and load up my dive ticket which would give us another 10 fills I'll just have a busy lunch. And you guys can pay a bit more :)

The format is based on the new PSP 2008 rules. 2 period of 15mins race to 7. Not 2 periods of 20 and unlimited score.

Sorry about it being on Mothers day Sy I didn't know you had one :o

[Spike]

I wouldn't be to concerned about people running to the compressor every Xball tourny I have been to had a bit of a walk to it, thats the whole point of having a pit crew.

You could actually fill up the dive bottles you do have via the compressor before each set of 4
teams and have them in the pit area anyway.

By my calculations for four teams it would cost another $15 per person to cover the $500 which isn't toooo bad?

Could I suggest you make it the teams responsibility and just tell everyone to bring their own, makes your life easier to. Many people have cheap hookups...

[Spike]

Spike also says make it saterday because at this rate its us and you guys lol

[Icharus 461]

I know it's going to have a ton of holes starting up but me and the crew are not serioursly looking at kicking this off until August but for now I though we could get a little practice in and sort the buggs out before we kick off for sure.

If I can get enough money in the bank, intrest from the players and teams I want to bring Gav into it or buy my own compressor. But if there is a short fall I just don't have the cash to cover it. If I tell you guys it's gona cost $120/person then I don't want you paying extra. That's just not cool.

I'm going out to top up the team dive ticket tomorrow and if we run out during the day I'll have one of the crew platoon down to get us some fills. I've been topping up Kyns bottles with my own dosh for the last 3 months now :D just because I want my guys to train and you guys to play.

So front up so the crew has a chance to kick your booty :respect:

[mr_socko]

Just to let you know, I have a team of 3 at the moment, you can count us in for the 11th of may. We can supply our own air to help out. 2 of us have played speedball style before and are just getting back into it, and 1 is new to it but is keen as to start.

[appleby 15]

hey there,

just from an actions staff view. i think the field is being used sometime in the afternoon for a customer group. im sure youv discussed this with kyn, if not, you should talk to him about it. im not 100% positive but i am pretty sure that this is the case.

[Icharus 461]

Hi Gareth.
Yep talked to Kyn and he's given us the skinny on the afternoon game. Guess who he asked to reff it :D .

[appleby 15]

insane?

[Icharus 461]

It's going to be a long day Kyn asked us to stay around. We set up the field, play, ref and then pack down. All 9 of the crew.

[appleby 15]

sweet. can i ref your xball?

[Icharus 461]

You still needing the hours?
I'm not sure what Kyn will be doing for reffs for OGD. I've got some one lined up for score bench and time keeper. But ask him see what he says.

PS: GO TO 3's stop fussing about finding a team and just go. Sketch and Todd run a fun show and it won't take that loong to get down there.

[appleby 15]

lol im always needing the hours. yea il talk to kyn.

yea iv got a team now. well 2/3rds of one. our 3rd is still undecided.

[malanoma]

hey its just me and maby one friend that wanna play, is it ok if we just turn up without the rest of a team?
Malcolm

[Yankus]

Just rock on up bro im sure we'll be able to find a place for you.

[Spike]

Dude, will confirm if our team is coming as of tomorrow.

I am struggling with your logic on the Air however, you want us to pay more to play lower teams using less paint that will be faster games because we will use more air????? Doesn't quite make sense.

Can we just pay $100 and provide our own air for this one? Will make it easier and cheaper for us (more chance the guys will come)

Holla Back

[Nightstalker]

I believe the logic is if you are in the division with a higher paint allowance you will shoot more and use more air, thus pay more.

I also believe that if you supply your own air you only pay the $100 fee, the air levvy only applies if air is being supplied for you.

[Spike]

I believe the logic is if you are in the division with a higher paint allowance you will shoot more and use more air, thus pay more.


Yeah and it would be true if you were playing other higher level teams but the fact is some of the points against the new teams will be allot quicker and use less paint/air..

But meh I will just recommend we bring our own Air.

Cheers

[Icharus 461]

Hey Spike sorry I wasn't clear on the air levi thing.
It's only for teams that can't bring there own air and if they play all of there games in there division. I'm not going to stiff ya if you have to play down as the paint restriction is going to limit use equally for everyone. I've used Rookie as a base and with the hopper +1 restriction plus the types of Gat I'm expecting to see I can't see many of them going to heaps of air. Novice and Amature have the larger paintallowance and probably have already spent heaps on Droids, Shockers, Ego's ect... So will burn a lot more paint and thereby use more air.

Just to sum it up.
The Air Levi only applies to teams that need air supplied on the day. It will only apply to teams that play all of there games on the day against other teams from the same division. You fire more more paint = you pay more for the air I supply. Or I live in a shoe box until pay day. :(

The idea is to run 3 full and locked divisions for an 8 round season including play offs. Right now the crew and I are taking the oppotunity to work out the kinks and gauge intrest before kicking it off for real or letting it slide. Once teams register they play only the teams in there pool/division not hopping between rookie, novice and amature.

[Spike]

Sweet, So how many teams this weekend? sounds like about 3 including us?

[Icharus 461]

Could have about 5 + or - 1./ most are comming in at strength or just under. Could have 2 rookie teams comming which is freekn sweet! If we can't make whole teams we will add reserves.

[Spike]

OK sweet dude, put us down as one definite. We will have 5/6 players so no major if they get a bit rushed in between points because so will we lol.

We will bring our own dive tanks BTW (we have 2-3)

[Icharus 461]

Ok got the final details in with Kyn.

Format is Div 1 Xball. (Could be subject to change if the players want to play something else)
Format: One period of 15mins with a brake between points of no less then 2 mins while the other pair of teams play.
Penalties: I haven't had a chance to finalise the building of even temp penality boxes. We will either be doing a hybrid of the 5 on 5 rules or old school Xball penalties where a minor will see the offending team sit a player for the next point while a major will see the offending team sit a player for he next 2.
Kyn is going to provide air for the teams that need it but at if at all possible do bring your own. So there will be no Air levi. YAY! As I get this month off YAY!

Whit this being a pilot event expect a few niggles here and there. After the day is done I'd like any feed back on how the crew and I can organise and run this better for future rounds.

[Burner x3]

Bam it's on!!!

[Spike]

Thanks Guys for an awesome day. Blast had a fantastic time.

We have a few suggestions to change, will add more as I think of them.

1. Play Best of 5 points or keep the race to 5 points
2. Pit from one area and swap ends every game

Sorry we didnt get to play insane but we ran out of paint.

[appleby 15]

hey jarrod,

great event. congrats on that.

unlucky teh weather didnt hold up. also it was a bit soft underfoot which made traction a bit difficult but it made sliding more fun hehe but yea, cant really help them. its just auckland weather.

unfortunate there wasnt a better turn out aswell but the games were going for ages so teams probly wouldve run out of time/paint if we had more teams so yea, not sure what to do about that.

i agree with spike about making it a race to 5 instead of 7. even though its only 2 points difference but yea...5 is a good number.
also we need more refs, (thanks to the refs that were there btw)

personaly i had a wicked day! we didnt get the results we wanted but meh, we had fun.

cant wait til the next one!
-gareth

[sam69]

this was a mad event guys cant wait till th next

[Juzza]

yeah was a good day turn out could have been better but has word gets around it can grow was a tonne of fun which is the main thing.

could allways do a whole series type thing that was talked about before could work as long as teams can commit

[ANTSMAN68]

how many teams played? who were they?

date for next one?

[Juzza]

walk on rec players (felt sorry for these guys way out of there depth)
team actions (team of guys that work for actions paintball)
insane
blast (full of veteren players ex saints and all)

it will be a second sunday of every month as far as i know

[mr_socko]

hey guys thanks for the day (I was one of the glens from 'team glen' haha).

We had fun even though the other teams were a bit out of our league haha. Defenately keen to return though, you did well for a 1st time event and made us feel welcome and wanting to come back for more, hopefully we'll get better and give you guys more of a challenge next time.

[Spike]

blast (full of veteren players ex saints and all)


lol or two of them

So I take it there will be another one??

[Icharus 461]

Hey guys good to hear you all had a good time. Have to thankyou all for turning up and rocking out, plus major props to the reffs.

I got some good comments about the field layout. I kinda stole bits of it from NPPL Boston 06 and improvised with what I had left (should have a few more bunkers for next time too). Rippn stuff from the big grades will probably be the norm.

I will be looking at doing something like that again possibly on a regular basis. Just got to OK it with Kyn and try to work it in with the rest of the NZ schedule. Keep the input comming in and I'll tweak the format until we have it right. Right now looking at doing it all again on the 13th of July.

Next time it will be a race to 5 points with teams switching sides after the 3rd point. And keeping it unlimited paint in all grades.

One thing I'd like to ask you guys is do you want to play 2 rounds or 3. The big thing here is cost and air. I think we could squeeze it in if I reduce the game time from 15mins to 10mins. The pro is, you could play 3 different teams. But it could make it to easy for teams to play the clock. What do you think?

Speaking about air how did everyone find the bulk Nitro tanks? and leaving the field to gas up there guns?

As always should I get enough teams showing up I'll form them into there own divisions so we get simillar skilled teams playing off against each other.

For thoes who want to know the draw was taken out of a hat and the scores where.

Round 1. Played a race to 7.
Blast (7) Vs. Glen (2)
Insane (3) Vs. Actions (Intense, Love Machine :D) (2)

Round 2. Played a race to 5.
Blast (5) Vs. Intense (0)
Insane (5) Vs. Glen (1)

C'ya J.

[appleby 15]

yea the field was pretty sweet.

except there were huge lanes from d-box to d-box which made running anywhere a bit of a mission. the snake was good. i like the angled ends, makes it easier to get into. maybe a kinked snake would be mean for next time. also maybe try something different like putting a can on the snake 50.

the can on the dorito side 50 in between the two doritos didnt get played at all the whole day so probly couldve been utilised elsewhere.

im pretty sure the field wasnt symetrical either (which i know is hard) but everything seemed way further away from the road end then the opposite end.

id say stick with 15minutes i rekon but yea shorten it to a race to 5.

as for having multiple rounds, i think that should be decided on the day. so basically we have the first few rounds of having everyone play each other and then review from that.

the bulk nitro tanks were great! i didnt mind walking off the field to refil. with the games being in between each other, it gave us enough time to do so. but of corse itd b nicer if it was closer to a field exit but im just being picky.

[FiRe CoNtRoL]

Insane (3) Vs. Actions (Intense, Love Machine) (2)



I didn't think anyone except my boys were listening when I said "Love Machine"! I only said it to see what Trav would do. I think it achieved the desired result!

I had a great time shooting and being shot at by everyone. It's been quite some time since I've played at that level. My apoligies to Insane, I missed the briefing so was not aware it was XBall without the coaching (I was trying to get our new guys angel online at the time)

Couple of things, well actually they're just personel things that don't even need attention. Gotta remember to bring tyre repair or somthing like that (Duct tape!) I really wanted to try that carwash into the snake! Plus I think there would have been alot more action at the snake than what there was if those box's didn't deflate before the games :mad:
Also, I would have liked to face Blast first while I still had some Weet-Bix in the System! (I HATE working night shift!) Oh well, I guess thats the way the draw came out.

Lastly, A Big :respect: To team Glen for stepping up to the plate. A couple of them I recognise as the regular OGD players and they turned up expecting that. Then they were thrown to the lions! Bummer they got Blast first up :( Theres been a couple of people I've seen turn up to OGD and decide not to play because a more aggressive style of paintball was being played! (Aye G-Reff! :p )

Anyways, good onya Jarrod, looking forward to the next one.

[Icharus 461]

Aww shucks :o looks like everyone had fun.
That car wash snake will be back. Having to give that up was my biggest dissapointment of the day.

The can on the Durito side 50 was a wiered one. It got played a little during the day but is was more a blocker between the two duritos. If you wanted to get a shot off at your mirror you had to play it wide and that opened you up to the ctr of the field.

Glad you liked the Snake G. It was harder to get out to, but once there you had some good lanes to a lot of the field. I wanted to make it a balanced field where the bunkers that had the best lanes were the hardest to get to. The lanes to the sanake where a lot more open then the durito side but you could kill and play the snake fast if you took out the snake side corner. The durito side was easier to get to but had less lanes and was slower.

I think we had like another 3 bunkers needing attention and Chris, Kyn and I are tracking down the stuff needed to make permanent repairs so we can fill the field out more.

Looks like I'll be keeping the game time to 15 mins and playing a race to 5. We will try switching ends after the 3rd point is scored and keep the hybrid NPPL like penalties going.

Lastly BIG kudo's to Team Glen for stepping up. Not bad for a scratch team first time out. It took the 1st Team Insane years to win a single game :o:D and you guys won points on your first outting. That invite is still open if you want to come down to practice Sunday. if you have your won kit bring it down if not you might have to hand over a little cash to Kyn.

PS: Kyn Jackson is the man. Picked up the reffing and ran with it like a pro.

[appleby 15]

mmm didnt play the snake as much as i wanted, but i was loving those cans too much lol

[Spike]

How hard is it to get the X from Kyn? I presume he still has it?

[mr_socko]

i'l most likely turn up on sunday. We don't need to worry about paint right? I'm guessing you'l have the air field set up for the day? Also whats the deal with air? Sorry about all the Q's haha

[Icharus 461]

Kyn has the X. And I think we are bringing that out this weekend.
The Juce TV and Corperate challange are being played out and we are setting up the field plus pack down.

Air shouldn't be a problem but co2 will cost you up at HQ plus any kit you need to rent. Prac starts at 9.00 but the crew will be there early from 8.00 for set up. As for paint ohh we got that covered. If you can call it paint. More like disposable reballs.