My Ion is *slow* - And Other Problems.

[Vijil]

It seems totally unable to shoot more than about 9 bps no matter what I do. I figure that putting a QEV in will help, and I'll do that as soon as I can get one, but didn't the box say they can do 17 stock?

What effect does dwell setting have on the gun speed if any?

Also, turning the velocity knob down below about 250fps (reball) makes the thing start hissing and leaking air all over the place as though it's way lower than it should be... what's with that? Is my dwell too high?

Am I using an incompatible tank? (currently borrowing one of martys 45ci ones, output 450 psi I think)

AND it's horribly innacurate with reball compared to everyone elses gun. At fifty metres with say marty's ego I can hit a 10cm bullseye fairly solidly. With the ion, every shot has a different drop like they're all different speeds or something, and the balls are curving a good 30cm off target at that range. What settings on the gun could be causing this?

Also the shots are louder than most peoples. A good solid BANG every time... I dinna get it.

So far I'm only planning on putting in a Quick Exhaust Valve short term and maybe buying an ego reg, but is there anything else that might be wrong?

[MikeE]

450psi should be fine.

Ion triggers suck, get one thats got a roller bearing or similar and set it up right, should make a differnce. Ions shoot 17bps stock in rebound mode with the US board.. hard to get one out of the box to shoot that fast.

Most people only shoot a consistant 9-13 bps anyway. 15bps (avg) ramping is a lot faster than most people when they have a peak Rof of 15..

Ion barrel is crap.

When purchasing an ion replace:

- Trigger
- feedneck
- asa
- barrel

and consider a QEV

[Snackman]

Clean and grease it. Your getting shoot down (or drop off or what ever you want to call it). Also look here http://www.zdspb.com for a solution. YDNA knows all!

[B2]

One of my guys has a ION and I am amazed at how it shoots.
When all the guys "couldnt" shoot the paint at the ChcH 3mans with thier IONs. Ol Brownys just smoked..stock barrell etc. Again thats Paint to barrel ratio.
Bschizz:)

[MikeE]

I second that with YDNA - best SP tech in the world! (I've used his services before and can reccomend him)

[Snackman]

Yeah. Buy a Cp roller bearing trigger for it too. They are like magic on Ions.
Or just get a coded ramping board to make it shoot fast. ;)

[ANTSMAN68]

talk to Cuan, he has some pimped out red after market bodied ion that puts most guns to shame rof wise and $$ spent / value wise, short black curly hair, pot belly:), really slow runner...hangs with Josh

[Vijil]

Yeah I know the guy, had a looksee at his ion on weds. It's nice.

Cheers for the link, it's very informative. Still can't see why I'm getting leakage, but I'll keep playing with it. I'll keep on tinkering and see what happens. There may well be some board settings I've messed up too so I'll see what happens with that.

The problem with cleaning is that I don't have any squeegees, grease or anything since none of it came with the marker. I don't want to strip and scrub the thing without being able to grease it too. Where do you guys normally get little things like that from?

So much messing around... meh should be worth it eventually. At this rate I'll be ready to play tourney by about June :p

[MikeE]

Sounds like you just answered your question:

Greese.


Without proper lube ... shockers and ions roll over and die. Its the only problem they should ever have is the bolt not being lubed properly.

Get some dow 33 and lube all the o rings, things should be fine.

[Vijil]

I take it I can get Dow33 from a regular hardware store?

[Snackman]

Nope. But if you are looking and you find White lithium grease then its the same stuff.

http://www.smartparts.com You should be able to buy Dow 33.

[Snackman]

http://www.smartparts.com/Store/default.aspx?Prod={BF4CAB86-5D68-4D80-A8C2-5F2B80A29281}

Thats what you need. :)

[Noddy]

wouldn't worry about your trigger too much... (atm)

put the qev in first, ive had better luck with the Eclipse QEV's ($25 or so from tony w) , also tried those and the SP ones, around $30 or so.
the sp one, once installed, would shoot, then the bolt would only come back about 80% of the way then slowly crawl back.. Eclipse ones are sweet had no probs ever.

you can lighten your stock trigger whith out too much hastle, (i'm not saying dont ever replace it, but for the short term) .. and if you feel the need take the magnet out of it, if you set your trigger right you wont get any bounce

The ion BOARD is capable of 17bps, the marker can easily cycle that fast... once you put in a QEV you will instantly see results.. and its not a small difference either.
with the QEV in place, i have taken markers from dwell settings of 52, to 8...

not sure about the leakage at low pressure... but yeah i'd go with the others about the lube etc :)


nods.

[Vijil]

ok cool thanks all. Yeah I've taken out the magnet, which has helped heaps already.

Played with the max ROF setting on the board, turns out it was at the lowest setting... so turned it right up and that's helped a lot. Dry firing closer to 13 bps now which is good. Only thing slowing me down with live fire is my crap loner paint jamming in the neck and the fact that I'm borrowing a field hopper til my one shows up... ugh.

Will get some white lithium grease - cheers snackeh. I'd rather not have to import tiny expedables like that... Will get a QEV for sure, who has them in NZ?

Gun is still innacurate. Figure it's partly my paint, but it was the same with reball. The paint tends to break in the last 3cm of the barrel around the vents, so the accuracy could be explained by a barrel defect, though looking down it there's nothing obvious.

[Snackman]

White lithium grease is very hard to find. And I mean very, very hard. Just buy shocker grease from that smart parts website. Or find a supplier that does it.

Sounds like the reason the paint is breaking and the reball is inaccurate is because the bore size of the barrel is way too big.

[Frodo]

i think I have an eclipse QEV. but not sure if it is compatible with an ION as eclipse has about 3 or 4 variations on screw size.
Come see me next time your at TAG.

[stick]

Bookie can get you DOW33.

[Vijil]

Someone needs to post a list of photos and names on some site somewhere so I know who all these mysterious folks with stuff for me are...

either that or point me in the right direction on weds :)

[Bookie]

rob,

Youve allready met me dude, im the guy((shaved head 6ft tall with red angel) that helped you with the trigger on ya marker, and slapped the reloader on it about two wednesdays ago..
next time your there, i'll give you some dow.

g

[Vijil]

cheers, yeah I remember you.

[woknoll]

"White Lithium Grease" is easy to find its a "CRC" product and sold in a spray can from everywhere repco, hardware store, mitre 10 etc costs about $13

[MikeE]

I wouldn't be putting anything sold in a spraycan into a shocker/ion.

White Lithium Greese/Dow 33 comes in a tube is the stuff you want.

[Vijil]

yup. Doesn't matter anymore - got all these problems fixed ages ago.

Pays to look at the date on the last post before responding.