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MikeE
12-04-2006, 22:53
are availble here:

http://www.millennium-series.com/images/pdf/rules_5-2.pdf

Now nothing in here is new... these rules were published in July 2005, and it was annouced that we were using them in Jan 06 (maybe earlier)

Team Captians, please ensure you have a copy of these and all of your team have read and understood them.

We do have a mixture of experianced and inexperianced refs, please show them the respect that they deserve. They are giving up their holiday weekend and spending all day in the rain to ensure your event runs smoothly. If you have any problems with any of the refs, please tell me straight away and we will ensure it is deal with swiftly.

All refs will be wearing black and white striped ref jerseys, I will be wearing a black and yellow striped one

Important things to note(and will be repeated at captians meeting) for those too lazy to read the rules properly - these are all taken from the Millenium rules linked above:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c173/Demacabre/family-guy_evil-monkey_tie.jpg

Because Evil Monkey says so!

- Games are 7 min long
- you must have a barrel bag, barrel plugs are not permitted
- games will start with 10 seconds being called, all refs will raise one arm, at game on a siren will sound and refs will drop their arm. This will give all players a clear aural and visual signal of the game starting.
- We are going to be very lenient on the modded earpieces/soft earing of gogs rule unless the gogs look to be unsafe (at head refs discretion), keep our gogs rolled down while on the field (i.e. JT proflex).
- At end of game person hanging the flag will be chronoed before flag hang, if hot, they will be eliminated.
- at end of game all live players must go to nearest ref to be checked, if you walk away (like some teams have in the past) they will be treated as elimited
- do not plug your marker at end of game untill instructed to by the head ref, if you do it before hand you will be eliminated
- only the capitan is to dispute any calls after the game, this is to be directed at the head ref, anyone who argues with any of the referees will be eliminated.
- at the end of the game you may turn off your loader, you may not turn your marker off untill instructed by a ref, if you do so you may be eliminated...
- do not pick up paint off the ground ;-)
- you signal your elimination by putting one hand on your head THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO DO SO, calling "out" does not signal your elimination and you are still fair game, neither does raising your hand. I garuntee that if players don't take not of this that someone will attempt a dead mans walk on them :-P (Marty, I'm looking your way :-P)
- Markers are to be put down OUTSIDE of the deadbox, left on (loader may be turned off) if you are eliminated
- barrel socks are left off untill after the game, don't plug your markers untill then
- if you call "hit" or similar you will be treated as playing on, make sure you call your elim by putting your hand ON your head.
- game starts with marker barrel touching the flag station, it doesn't matter if you bring it over the top of your head (I know the aussies gave u shit for it, its not int he rules, so we don't care)
- please try not to have clear loaders, and please don't cover them in stickers. This will be at the refs discretion (and is covered in the rules).

But these won't be problems, because I have faith that all players will have read and understood the rules, and all players will play fairly. In fact - the refs shouldn't be that busy at all - because we have faith in you all.

Please ask any questions you have hear, and I will make sure they are answered both here and covered at the captains meeting.

Scruff
13-04-2006, 08:56
At end of game person hanging the flag will be chronoed before flag hang, if hot, they will be eliminated.

What if a player is standing, waiting to hang and be cronied and time runs out....does he miss the hang because of the time it takes to organise the croning?

cheers

Rosey
13-04-2006, 09:49
Good point....

Time should stop when person hangs flag, all checks, paint / chrono etc should be done afterwards, if player is eliminated for what ever reason, the time starts again as soon as its called. There should be a 2nd flag at both stations, or a ref can run the flag back to the start. SO that any remaining players can run the flag in.

MikeE
13-04-2006, 09:50
It takes all of one second to shoot over the chrono scruff.

And with the field design I can assure you that games will not be going to time.

Beaker
13-04-2006, 10:03
The way the Mill actually do it (and probably not explained in the rules) is that when the guy hangs the flag the marshall shouts "time" and the head stops the clock. then they ponce about, the player gets felt up by the marshal, turns his head to the left and coughs - usual stuff. They do the chrono then. If he's out then the flag gets rehung, another '3-2-1 10 seconds' and time starts again from the point he hung the flag. If he's clean then the ref shouts Hang and the game is over, people come out the deadbox etc

The time bit just buys them some...

If that makes sense.

MikeE
13-04-2006, 10:06
Yup.. pretty much how we were planning on doing it (how the Euro reffs did it in KL).

Beaker... thanks for that... hoping to make it as clear as possible for everyone... because I know most people in NZ don't bother to read the rules....

B2
13-04-2006, 10:42
I have read and Re read the rules..Now I know we tried this in Roto Re "Hit" rule.
When and I know it happens players get boned out..Its a human factor to call something..Now Having read the rules it states "eliminated player cannot call Hit" Now as I read it it this would indicate a player who has been Hit and and placed his hand on head and walking away cannot call Hit.
It was tried in Roto and I know it was changed..
Its an area of greyness..I could read it as..As I get eliminated with 15pbs stuck into me I call or verbalise something and place my hand on head and walk away thus showing all and sundry Im gone..
I cannot call anything as I walk away..
You can see how it can be mistrude..There is apoint of impact when I know ppl will call out somthing.
Clarification please.
B2

FireFox
13-04-2006, 11:39
Now as I read it it this would indicate a player who has been Hit and and placed his hand on head and walking away cannot call Hit.
It was tried in Roto and I know it was changed..
Its an area of greyness..I could read it as.
B2

I think the critical line is 'shout "Hit" in order to let his teammates know' and the line for referee's opinion.

a front player yelling HIT and (or even only) standing up will be obvious to both teams, whereas a back corner player quitely placing their hand on there head and leaving the field is substantivily different from them shouting 'HIT, You bastard I am HIT' (as opposed to a febble mewing as the hit player grasps what shreads of their diginty remain and leave the field) as this is likely to be heard only by their team mates and not the opposition, thus breaking the intent of the rule.

basically it comes down to the refs opinion and if the refs have radios it would be easier to check e.g. the back ref radios a ref at the 50 and asks 'did you hear that 'hit call'?' if they say no I think it is in breach of the rule, if they say yes I think it is not. (via radio as it kind of defeats the purpose if the refs are yelling about hit players)

Steven
(in no way offical)

MikeE
13-04-2006, 12:09
Ok...

You call out anything after you have been eliminated you will be treated as playing on, couldn't be and more simple.

If you are eliminated, put your hand on your head, and run directly to the deadbox, do not take the scenic route - just get out of there and get in the dead box. Thats it..

Its not a case of "oh we tried it in Roto and it didn't work" ... its standard practise across the world. There is no reason why it cannot and should not work in NZ. Drill it in to your team on the way down, this is the responsibility of the captian.

Its simple, you know you are hit, hand on head and run.

ou are not sure, call a paint check, you are either clean or ref will eliminate you. Ref will make neccesary hand signal, and you will place head and leave the field.

I will have access to the PC untill 5pm after that I will be driving south, please place any questions you want ot be addressed for the captians meeting before then, otherwise call me on 027 448 2780

urmama
13-04-2006, 12:21
your team should be trained to be aware where your own team and opposition players are and if one gets tagged that should be passed on to the rest of the team so i think no hit call is required. But that is just my opinion

Vijil
13-04-2006, 12:36
"do not take the scenic route" - milenium rules say the fastest way off the field, even if that means going to the side and then walking around the boundary. That would be fine right?

B2
13-04-2006, 12:52
Std practise across the world..That maybe so for wanking MikeE.
But to quote unquote ..I asked a question that didnt need your diatribe .It required a ruling as I too have read the rules.
There is a difference between verbally signalling when walking off the field with hand on head as well.
As to saying Hit when slammed 15times in the neck..you see my point.

MikeE
13-04-2006, 14:02
"do not take the scenic route" - milenium rules say the fastest way off the field, even if that means going to the side and then walking around the boundary. That would be fine right?

Vijil: Correct... what I mean is don't take the piss by doing laps, taking your time to get to the dead box etc....

B2: Simple - if you are shot, hand on head an leave the field... nothing else. If it looks to be that you are communicating with live players post elimination you will be treated accodingly.

Any other questions?

I'm @ work for 2 more hours, I'm collating everything and will have it in a condensed format at the captians meeting for those who don't frequent the site.

B2
13-04-2006, 14:44
I read the rules..
cya Saturday

MikeE
13-04-2006, 14:58
See ya B2... looks like I'm knocking off work early ... yay

B2
13-04-2006, 16:03
Your knocking off work Early..how appropriate "Early"
See MikeE ..oh and drive careful down to Wellers
Bschizz